Media Dishonesty

April 4, 2024

When watching a recent interview on CNN of Mr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., I cringed at how little news station even factually report today. Is true journalism dead in 2024? The full interview was 35 minutes long. As I transcribed their youtube (captions), I could see even that wasn’t accurate. It was rewritten, twisted, and often missing portions of context. I made sure to be accurate as I could be.

Burnett, E. (2024, apr 1). RFK Jr. says Biden is bigger threat to democracy than Trump. CNN. 35:00

@0:00  EB: Mr. Kennedy, I appreciate your time. So you heard Jeff Zeleny, going through the role that Jill Stein played. When you just look at the vote tallies in the state of Wisconsin. Only need 2000 votes to get on the ballot in the state of Wisconsin. So what do you say to Democrats who point to Jill Stein and say that’s going to be, you?
RFKJ: Well, right now, you know, I don’t know what I’m going to do, who I pull more from in November. Right now, I’m polling pretty much equally, probably a little more from President Trump. Like I, you know, as you pointed out, I want to pull from both of them. But you know, do you want like kind of a glib answer, or a thoughtful answer?
EB: I’d always prefer thoughtful.
RFKJ: Okay. I mean, what I would say is you have both sides using scare tactics. Republicans say that if Joe Biden gets in, it’s going to be end of the republic. The Democrats say if Donald Trump gets in, it’s going to be end of democracy. And I don’t think either of them are actually going to destroy democracy.  We have institutions in this country that are pretty enduring. And if you look at both those candidates, they’re very different in their temperament. They’re very different ideology, and their rhetoric on the issues. Where they actually depart from each other, it’s a very narrow band of issues and it’s a culture war issues like: abortion, guns, the border. And they’re all important issues, but they’re not existential issues. On the existential issues, neither has the capacity to address the biggest one being the debt. We now have $34 trillion in debt. The service on that debt is more than our military spending. So and within five years, $0.50 out of every dollar collected in taxes (EB: yep) are going to go to servicing the debt. And who ran up that debt? It was President Trump and President Biden, together in just four years each. They ran up more spending then all the previous presidents going back to George Washington combined.
The chronic disease epidemic, when my uncle was president, 6% of Americans had chronic diseases. Today 60%, it’s the biggest issue we have, $4.3 trillion that we’re spending on that. And it’s four times, almost five times our military budget. And it’s getting worse and worse and you’ve never heard President Trump talk about it. Never heard President Biden. The polarization in our country, again existential. All of these issues, AI, neither of them has the capacity to deal with these. And all of those issues are created by a system of corporate capture. This corrupt merger between state and corporate power that’s absolutely subverted and undermined our democracy. And neither President Trump, or President Biden has the capacity to address it because they’re part of that system. They’re both being financed by BlackRock and State Street and Vanguard, the military contractors, the pharmaceutical industries. And that system just spits out bad policies. And the illusion that if you differ on culture war issues and make sure that you’re radically different…  But the real things that we need to do to save our country, they can’t do them. And if you vote for President Trump, or President Biden, they both had their chance. You’re going to get more of the same.  If any, if somebody needs, if somebody actually wants change, wants to actually alter those issues, they’re going to vote for me. (JRG – Yes sir, you have my vote and full support)

Ballot Access and VP Pick

@3:33  EB: And yet to be president of the United States. If you have to be on the ballot in enough states to be able to win the Electoral College, (RFKJ: yep) You’re not right now.
RFKJ: Yeah, but I will be!
EB: And you believe you will be? I mean, because I know…
RFKJ: I know I will be 100%. I’m going to be on the ballot in every state, and in the District of Columbia. Well, you know, you’ve yet and I’ve said this from the beginning, and we’re already well on our way there. I think with eight within eight weeks, we’re going to probably be on another 19 states. We were not allowed to get on the ballot before in most states because we didn’t have a vice presidential candidate. You have to name a vice presidential candidate to get on a ballot in about 26 states. Now we have that, and we have we have about 200,000 volunteers. We’re going to, it’s going to be easy for us to get on the ballot in every state.
EB: So I know part of the reason that, you know, …
RFKJ: In North Carolina, we had to get 13,000 signatures, we got 23,000. In New Hampshire, they said it would take us months to get our signatures, we got them in one day. In Utah we got them in one week during a blizzard. So, you know, we’re not going to, we have a very, very good volunteer army out there.

EB: So when you talk about that you had to have a VP candidate to get on (RFKJ: yeah) in some of these states. Right? So that’s part of the reason, I know you made this decision when you did. The person you’ve chosen is Nicole Shanahan. She’s a lawyer. She doesn’t have government experience, obviously not a household name. And a lot of people have questioned why you picked her. Liz Smith of the DNC, just today, says “She was picked for one reason and one reason only: the money”. And obviously she speaks for the DNC. But Mick Mulvaney, who was OMB director under President Trump, said this.
@5:09  MM:  There’s one thing we need to know about her. It’s the reason that Kennedy picked her for vice president. She’s fabulously wealthy. This is the woman who single handedly bankrolled his ad during the Super Bowl that cost $4 million. That’s why he put her on the ticket, along with the fact that I think everybody else probably turned him down.
@5:37 EB: Would you have picked her if she didn’t have the money yet?
RFKJ: Did you see her speech?
EB: (hesitated & spoke sheepishly) “Part of it“. But I mean, did you pick her…? (JRG- I’d bet she didn’t see any of it)
RFKJ: I don’t think anybody who watched that speech would ever say that. She was impressive. She’s eloquent, she’s authentic. Her life is, it’s a template for the American dream. She started out as a minority kid in Oakland, extraordinary poverty, on food stamps, on welfare. She grew up and attended Stanford, where she became a Stanford fellow. She became an entrepreneur. She’s a very, very uber successful businesswoman. She has encyclopedic knowledge of A.I.  She has encyclopedic knowledge of a chronic disease epidemic and how to stop it.  She is young and she’s a mother, and I wanted, my candidate, I want three things. One, somebody who is not an insider, because it was the insiders who created this problem. They created the debt crisis, they created the addiction to war. They created the chronic disease epidemic. They created polarization. I wanted somebody outside, who’s thinking outside the box. I want to… our campaign is for young people. We are you know, we’re the only campaign that is looking at this assault on our children, on what is happening to this young generation. So I wanted somebody who is young, who is not, you know, an 80 year old man. I wanted somebody who is a mother. I wanted somebody who is going to champion their issues. And I don’t think anybody who looked at Nicole Shanahan’s speech, which I urged people to do, would ever say that the reason I picked her was for money. By the way, we don’t need her money to get on the ballot in every state. We already have the biggest field operation of any campaign. We are going to have no problem getting on the ballot in every state. We do not need Nicole Shanahan’s money. And we’re getting plenty of money. We’re raising more money, our campaign is, than President Trump or President Biden.

@7:32 EB: So when you talk about, though, that you say that you’re pulling equally from both and we’ll see what happens. But in the polling that we have. But hold on one second, you lets just take Georgia, because we all know Georgia margin of victory last time was 11,779 votes. So the latest polling from Georgia, you get 12% of the Democratic vote. You pull 5% of the Republican vote. Again, these are polls. This is where we are right now. But that’s that’s when they, that’s what they show. So when you look at it that way, how can you say that your campaign is not taking more from Biden?
RFKJ: What I would say to you and you know, I’m not, this isn’t something I want to argue with you about. It’s just what, my observation is. I don’t care one way or the other. What my observation is of the Quinnipiac, Harvard Harris poll, the Gallup poll, a New York Times in a poll, all the leading national polls, at this point in history as of today, show me polling maybe two more points from President Trump than I am from President Biden. So I’m mainly what they’re what they’re showing in the, Politico did a big article on this, is my supporters are people who weren’t going to vote at all, largely.  And my donors are people who had given up on the American political process and are reengaging because they feel that they don’t want to choose between the lesser of two evils. They want to choose a candidate who is going to inspire them, who’s going to give them hope with a vision for the future, and who has the vigor and energy, to actually change this country. And that, you know, I want to engage those people in the political process, the Democrats, Republicans. I’m going to take on the margins. And I can’t tell you even today it’s irrelevant, Erin, because it’s really who am I going to take from in November.

@9:17 EB: So you in 2000, Ralph Nader obviously was running and you did an interview with NBC News just a few months before the election. You said this. “There’s a political reality here, which is that his candidacy could draw enough votes in certain key states from Al Gore to give the entire election to George W Bush.” And then you wrote an op ed in The New York Times. You wrote: “Ralph Nader is my friend and hero. But Mr. Nader’s candidacy could siphon votes from Al Gore. Mr. Nader dismisses his spoiler role by arguing there is little distinction between the major party candidates and that Mr. Gore is compromised on too many issues. While I admire his high minded ideals, his suggestion that there is no difference between Mr. Gore and Mr. Bush is irresponsible.” A moment ago you said you you essentially see Trump and Biden as same different, different issues. But do you really believe that when people talk about the threat to democracy that Trump poses, do you really think that that is is an equal evil to Biden?

RFKJ: Listen, I make the argument that President Biden is a much worse threat to democracy. And the reason for that is President Biden is the first candidate in history, the first president in history, that has used the federal agencies to censor political speech, or to censor his opponent. You know, I can say that because I just won a case, a federal court of appeals (see conclusion below), now before the Supreme Court. It shows that he started censoring, not just me, 37 hours after he took the oath of office. He was censoring me. No president in the country has ever done that. The greatest threat to democracy is not somebody who questions election returns, but a president of the United States, to use the power of his office, to force the social media companies: Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, to open a portal and give access to that portal to the FBI, to the CIA, to the IRS, the CISA, to NIH, to censor his political critics. President Biden for the first, the first president in history, to use the secrets… his power over the Secret Service to deny Secret Service protection to one of his political opponents, for a political reason. He’s weaponizing a federal agency. Those are really critical threats for democracy!

Elections: fair or fixed?

@11:32 EB: Donald Trump  of course, tried to overturn a free and fair election. He tried to overturn one. Right. He’s still fighting in court. (RFKJ: Yes) How is that not a threat to democracy?
RFKJ: Well, I think that is a threat to democracy. Him trying to overthrow the election, clearly is a threat to democracy. But ‘the question was’, who is a worse threat to democracy? And what I would say is, you know, I’m not going to answer that question, but ‘I can argue’ that President Biden is. Because the First Amendment, Erin, is thee most important. Adams and Hamilton and Madison said “we put the guarantee of freedom of expression in the First Amendment because all of our other constitutional rights depend on it”. If you have a government, that can silence its opponent, it has license for any atrocity.
@12:18  EB: So just to be clear, you’re saying you could make an argument that President Biden is a worse threat to democracy than Donald Trump?
RFKJ:  Absolutely! But who else has ever tried to, who else has ever tried to censor… what president in history, has ever tried to censor political opponents. What president has weaponized the federal agencies? You know, when my father came into the Justice Department, the first week he was there, he got all of the branch division attorneys together and he said, whatever we do, we are not going to use the power of the Justice Department for political reasons.
EB: Trump has already said that he would do that. He is saying that he would do that.
RFKJ: Of course, and that is reprehensible!
EB: And he is the only president who’s tried to overthrow the results of an election.
RFKJ: Well, you know, let me, let me say something. I’m not going to defend President Trump on that. That was appalling! And there’s many things that President Trump has done that that are appalling.
In 2001, we had an election stolen in this country. During the Bush-Gore election. In 2004, I wrote an award winning article for Rolling Stone that showed how that election was stolen from John Kerry. So I don’t think, and most Americans agree with me about 2001, that it was stolen election from the Democratic candidate. So I don’t think people who say that the election is stolen, we shouldn’t we shouldn’t make pariahs of those people. We shouldn’t demonize them, we shouldn’t vilify them. We should be doing is saying, let’s all get together, Republicans and Democrats and fix the election system so that it cannot be fixed. So that we’re the exemplary democracy in the world. We ought to, you know. All I’m saying is this, is build on machines that can count and never make mistakes. Should we get, can we make an election machine and can we have an electoral process that every American says whatever happens it can’t be it can’t be fixed?
EB: When you go through all the data, okay hold on… I understand that we want elections to be as perfect as they possibly can be. And one should not use the fact that the election was not stolen and was not cheated to not try to perfect it. I understand that distinction. But when you do as you’re doing and you open the door to, well, we want every you’re opening the door to people who can say, well, then that’s exactly what I’m saying. The machines miscounted. The machines did this, but they didn’t. Every single analysis has shown that that did not happen. Right. As you know. Do you worry that you’re opening the door, for people to believe that the Republican primary voters and that they believe that Trump won?
RFKJ: No. I’m not worried. I don’t, I don’t worry about how people might misinterpret my words. What I said, I mean, and I’m careful about how I use language. So I’m not saying that that election was, or that there was cheating, I’ve never said that. What I’ve said is that there are problems, particularly Erin, if you don’t have paper ballots. The election machines can be fixed in various ways, and that’s just a fact. What we ought to have is, we ought to have machines, and we ought to have paper ballots this time, and we ought to have a very low threshold to get a recount of the paper ballots. And that just makes sense. It’s common sense. And if we implement and every jurisdiction, you’re not going to have problems where Americans are at each other’s throats.
@15:46  EB: I mean, you’re talking about a technical thing, like instead of having one half of 1% be the trigger for a recount, you would put it even lower. I mean, that’s that’s the sort of …(inaudible) here.  
RFKJ: Whatever, I’m not choosing a particularly threshold, but a threshold that makes sense. That’s a very low threshold where you got a recount if you know, if you, if there’s some question. So, you know, and that’s I don’t think I’m saying something that’s controversial. I’m saying something, I think most Americans, virtually any American, would agree with. Let’s have an election system that even 10% of Americans who are crazy people and even they won’t question because our election system is the best election system in the world. And nobody you know, I mean, Vermont, for example, has a very, very good election system. Nobody ever questions the Vermont election system. And we ought to be able to do the same thing in every state. Where we are supposed to be the template for democracy in every country in the world. Let’s make sure… we put a man on the moon, we’ve had all these accomplishments, let’s make sure we have a system that nobody is questioning. Even crazy people.
EB: People are always going to question it, though. Well, they’re always going to question it.
RFKJ:  And you want to narrow the margin of people who are questioning it as much as possible by giving nobody any kind of legitimate claim about it. That’s all I’m saying. And what I’m saying is, not saying, I’m not saying that President Trump won the election over President Biden. I’ve never said anything or suggested anything like that. All I’m saying is let’s focus on the issues that bring people together. I’ve been constantly focusing on the polarization, on the issues that drive Americans apart and has us all at each other’s throats, with a very, very toxic polarization and demonization of each other.

@17:38 EB:  I want to ask you, I mentioned at the top of the program how Trump was trying to tie you to the far left right with his recent post, “most radical left candidate in the race. I guess this would mean he’s going to be taking votes from Crooked Joe Biden, which would be a great service to America. I love that he’s running.” Obviously, the Democrats were putting up billboards outside your rally, tying you to MAGA and to Trump. But it’s very interesting over time, over the past six months when you and Trump have spoken about each other, I wanted to play some of those times and give you a chance to explain, Here it is. “I will say RFK Jr, who I’ve known not very well, but I’ve known for a while and I respect him. A lot of people respect him.” (DT2023)
“The people who support Donald Trump feel that they’re regarded by the elites as deplorable people and that, you know, they’re not part of our country. And I think Donald Trump made them feel like they were part of our country.” (-RFKJ) “He’s a very smart guy and a good guy.” (Trump)  “I’m proud that President Trump likes me.” (-RFKJ)
EB: I was most curious, actually, about your last statement there. What about President Trump liking you makes you proud?
RFKJ: Well, here’s the thing, first of all, I’m definitely the only candidate running who has sued Donald Trump twice, and won the lawsuits. And so, you know, if Donald Trump… does a lot of things wrong and I call him on it! I try to be a candidate who’s not running on rancor, or who’s not running on vitriol, who’s not running on personal attacks, but is running, based upon my record, and based upon my ideas on the issues. Now, here’s, I mean here’s, let me explain to you how I view this issue. I think there’s a revolution happening in our country, and it’s the same kind of thing that happened when my father was running in 1968. The polarization, the division of Americans is the most toxic it’s been since the American Civil war. That disconnect, there’s a whole group of people in this country, the American middle class, 57% of Americans who can’t put their hands on $1,000 if there’s an emergency in their family. For those people, if the engine light comes on in their car, it’s the apocalypse. You know, they’re going to lose their car, lose their job. They’re feeling forgotten by the Democratic Party that used to represent the interests of the middle class. Their feeling forgotten by the entire political establishment. Donald Trump came in, in 2016, and said to those people, Yeah… the whole thing is fixed. And that’s what they wanted to hear. Populist movements can either be harnessed by demagogues, for dark reasons, and with with using all the alchemy’s of demagoguery. Or they can be captured by idealistic leaders, and idealistic reason. My father captured most of the white vote in Maryland, Delaware and the Eastern states just before his death in 1968. Four years later, those same people voted for George Wallace. Why is that? They were populist. My father captured them, that energy with a powers and (inaudible).

Health of our Nation

@20:52  EB: How would you describe yourself? Are you a populist? Are you a nationalist? How would you describe yourself?
RFKJ: I would describe myself as a populist? Like my father was a populist, and a populist for idealism. For the Americas greatest, our signature values: for democracy, for free speech, for constitution, for a democracy that’s not run and captured by corporate interests, anti war, and for the middle class. For the cops, for the firefighters, for working people in this country, about rebuilding our middle class, about making sure our kids have, are able, to live the American dream. The American dream when I was a kid, that if you worked hard, if you play by the rules, you could buy a house, you could finance it, you could take a summer vacation, you could raise a family, you could put something aside for retirement, on one job. My kids, I have seven kids, Erin, and none of them believe that that promise applies to them. And are… they’re sick. You know, today when I was a kid, juvenile diabetes, a pediatrician typically would see one case in its entire lifetime. Today, one out of every three kids walks into his office is pre-diabetic or diabetic. Why isn’t the political establishment, we’re spending more on diabetes than we are a defense budget? Why isn’t the political establishment talking about this? We ought to be solving this problem. So why are our health agencies never even asking this question?

@22:24  EB:  You just mentioned seven children. And I’m wondering as we sit here, and you’re doing this interview, you’re doing interviews, you’re doing rallies, and you’re running.  The candidacy that you’re running has cost you a lot personally. It has cost you siblings, family members have spoken out against what you’re doing… They are angry. They’re upset. They’re hurt. Your sister Rory was on our show recently and she spoke about it. JFK’s grandson also posted on social media overnight, something I don’t know if you saw it. I wanted to play both of them….

The first ‘edited’ video clip she plays is from his sister and then clip from 2nd cousin Jack.

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SIDE NOTE: People love Bobby Kennedy Jr and his honesty, and the entire establishment & mainstream media are on high alert and are in full assault and attack mode.

Erin’s statements aren’t correct. “It has cost you siblings, family members have spoken out against what you’re doing… They are angry. They’re upset.”

Not true. Yes they have spoken out, and yes they are upset, but it has not cost him family. They support Biden (can’t understand why myself) and are fearful of Kennedy’s impact on Biden’s chances of re-election, and that’s a valid claim.

Rory Kennedy – “I feel strongly that this is the most important election of our lifetime. And I do worry that Bobby, just taking some percentage of votes from Biden could shift the election and lead to Trump’s election.”

But the clip of Rory Kennedy she refers to is missing a lot of important context! The yellow text is what was omitted. Here is her ‘full comment’ and full interview on CNN from Mar 26, 2024.

The full statement from sister Rory. CNN spin – Context matters.

Erin says, “Your brother Robert Kennedy, who’s running for president. I know you do not support your brother, or his campaign, you called it dangerous. A CNN poll from just last week in the key state of Michigan found more that half of voters have an unfavorable opinion of both Donald Trump and Joe Biden. We know there is voter fatigue with these two candidates. When you say you see your brother’s campaign as a danger, is it more about siphoning votes away from Joe Biden or is it because of his policies?

“It’s really about siphoning votes from Biden. The polls I’m seeing, Bobby takes 70% of the votes from Biden, and 30% from Trump. And I feel strongly that this is the most important election of our lifetime. And there is so much at stake, and I do think it’s going to come down to a handful of votes and a handful of states. And I do worry, that Bobby just taking some percentage of votes from Biden could shift the election and lead to Trump’s election.”  – Rory Kennedy (2024)

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The second clip is from his sister Caroline’s son, Jack. Erin stated specifically that he posted it ‘last night’, but the post is really from July 21, 2023.

Meet Jack. It is has been said that he still lives in his childhood bedroom at age 30, and is unemployed as far as I can tell from all current reports. Talk about trading in on ‘Camelot and the Kennedy’ name. What has this kid ever done for the ‘public service legacy’ he mentions?).

Jack Schlossberg (2nd cousin)- “He’s trading in on Camelot, celebrity conspiracy theories and conflict for personal gain and fame. I’ve listened to him. I know him. I have no idea why anyone thinks he should be president. What I do know is his candidacy is an embarrassment.”

Here is his unclipped version praising ‘Biden’ as being a ‘better president’ than his grandfather JFK.

“It’s about civil rights, the Cuban Missile Crisis and landing a man on the moon. Joe Biden shares my grandfather’s vision for America, that we do things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. And he is in the middle of becoming the greatest progressive president we’ve ever had …”

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Wait. What? Does he not recognize Biden’s direct attack on the first amendment and free speech of America’s citizens? (see Missouri v. Biden & Kennedy v. Biden) and his administration’s attempt at shutting down the 4th largest social media platform, TikTok, that has over 1 billion monthly active users, not because of security risks, but because they were the few social media that REFUSED to cave to government pressure.

The disrespect Jack shows for his family, Robert Kennedy Jr., is common of children of his generation. The only ’embarrassment’ here, lands solely on Jack!

I have two words for him…. CLUELESS & CLASSLESS!

I guess Jack just didn’t grasp what his father was trying tell him. ‘Jackuno’…. we completely agree!

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EB:That’s your family. That’s your family.
RFKJ: I have a big family. There’s about 105 cousins on the last time we counted. (EB: Rory is your sister) Yeah, and I have siblings who are supporting me. I have cousins, and nephews, and nieces who are working in my campaign. My campaign is being run by my daughter in law…. the political party that we started is chaired by my cousin, Anthony Shriver. Listen, I have a big family. I don’t know anybody in America who’s got a family who agrees with them on everything. I don’t know if that’s your situation, Erin, if you have a family who believes everything you do is, you know, like unicorns and rainbows. But I come from a family, from a milieu, where we came home at night and ate dinner with my father and he would orchestrate debates between us. And the same way that his father did with him. And we could disagree on issues, and we could disagree with passion and information, but we still love each other. And I love Rory. I love my family. I feel loved by them. Listen, I understand why they don’t like me running. President Biden has been a 40 year friend to me, and my family. He has a bust my father behind him on the Oval Office. Yes. He talks about how my father inspired him to enter politics. There’s five members of my family who work for the Biden administration. So, you know, I understand why they’re dismayed that I’m running against them. They’re also worried, you know what my sister said? You know, my candidacy may get Trump elected.

#family
(JRG – It is more than just a ‘few family members’ who work for Biden’s administration. The Kennedy clan and their ‘non profits’ all seem to profit from their efforts. Take Kerry Kennedy, the most outspoken of the group. As of 2022, she receives a salary of more than a half a million dollars a year as president of her RFK Human Rights non profit. $575,430 to be exact (see p46). That’s a lot of donations going to a good cause.

Looking over her 2022 tax records, her major contributors are not for ‘public viewing’… I’d be interested to know who they are indebted to, wouldn’t you?

She has direct ties to Big Pharma. Alex Gorsky who sits on her RFK-HR as a board member just retired from J&J. “Gorsky stepped down as CEO of Johnson & Johnson in January 2022.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Gorsky I wonder how much he profited from the covid vaccines?

They also have Deep ties to WHO, NIH, Fauci, Biden, Obama, and more here: https://vigilantnews.com/post/the-real-motives-behind-the-kennedy-family-members-slamming-rfk-jr/)

EB: What if it does? What happens if you wake up the day after the election? We have results and that is what happened. Well, will you regret it?
RFKJ: What I what I said to you, applies to that. I don’t think either President Trump or President Biden are going to solve the debt crisis in this country, which is existential. I don’t think either of them are going to get us out of foreign wars. This addiction that we have to forever wars. President Trump actually said he was going to do that, but then he appointed John Bolton. He said he was going to drain the swamp. He appointed John Bolton as head of NSA. And that’s John Bolton’s a swamp creature, he’s a template for swamp creatures. I don’t think either of them are capable of ending the corporate capture of all of our agencies. The capture of the CIA, by the military industrial complex. The capture of NIH, CDC and FDA by the pharmaceutical companies. The capture of USDA by process Food and Big AG. They’re not going to do anything about that. So it’s gonna be more of the same. Whoever gets elected, there’s going to be changes around the margins, you know, taxing on abortion or whatever. Both of them only have four years. And I don’t think they can dismantle democracy in four years. I think Americans institutions are too great for that and the chance for me to actually change the nature of governance in this country, to restore democracy, to restore our nation’s moral authority abroad,  give us a foreign policy that’s not based on war, or projecting military power abroad, but on projecting economic power and moral strength. The chances of that happening are too great and too important for me to give up this contest.
EB: All right. Bobby Kennedy, thank you very much. I really appreciate your time.
RFKJ: Erin, Thanks for having me.

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End interview, now commentary: Daniel Dale, Jeff Zeleny, Ashley Allison, David Urban

@26:57  EB: All right. And I want to go now to Daniel Dale. And Daniel, a lot of things that Kennedy said in that interview deserve a little bit more attention, including his claim that he made that the 2004 election was, quote, stolen from John Kerry towards the end. He made that that point.
I’ll just play it again. “In 2001, we had an election stolen in this country. During the Bush-Gore election and 2004, I wrote an award winning article for Rolling Stone that showed how that election was stolen from John Kerry. So I don’t and most Americans agree with me about 2001 that it was stolen election from from the Democratic candidate.” So, Daniel, that’s not something that a lot of people have heard, the 2004 election. And it stood out to you along with a few other key moments there.
DD: It did. So he did write an article about this in 2006 and Rolling Stone claiming that the election was stolen from John Kerry because of what happened in the state of Ohio, that an important swing state. That article did not actually prove the election was stolen. It raised a litany of of some very real problems that nonetheless did not show that Kerry would have won the state if not for those problems. It also made like like in many cases with Mr. Kennedy, a whole bunch of speculative leap’s assumptions about data that experts in these in things like exit polling said were just not true. So, no, there was no proof the election was stolen in 2004 for Mr. Kerry. Mr. Kennedy also made some other claims here, and I think we need to look at. He asserted that President Biden has denied him Secret Service protection in this election. First of all, there is no evidence that President Biden has been at all personally involved in decisions about who should and should not get Secret Service protection. Secondly, I think it’s important to note that there are federal criteria for who gets such protection, including such things as being the nominee of a major party, which Mr. Kennedy is not, being at 15% or higher consistently for a month. In the Real Clear Politics polling average average with which Mr. Kennedy currently is not. Now, there is some discretion. The Secretary of Homeland Security. But yes, part of the Biden administration can decide to offer protection, but there’s no evidence this has been a decision for for for Mr. Biden to put him at risk. He also claimed that the President Biden has been personally censoring him. And we know there is a controversy about a White House communications with social media companies about what posts and posts and accounts should remain up or not. There is no evidence that Biden has been involved whatsoever. And it’s important to remember he was posting a frequent serial vaccine and other COVID 19 misinformation. That’s what we’re talking about here, not political criticism.
(JRG – Wrong Daniel, they were attacking any mentions of: Hunter Biden’s Laptop story, other doctors and scientists, ordinary citizens, and more. Any topic, or dissent that they didn’t like was being flagged.
Threatening Social media with losing their Section 230 protection is illegal. See Missouri v Biden
(JRG – Claiming ignorance is your defense?… “There’s no evidence that Biden” himself, the leader of the nations ‘entire administration‘, didn’t know every single agency was involved… sure.)

@29:38 EB: All right. All right. Which is obviously very significant to note that distinction. All right. Thanks to Daniel Dale. Jeff Zeleny is back with me now. And in addition, Ashley Allison joins former national coalition director for the Biden-Harris 2020 campaign and David Urban, former senior adviser to the Trump campaign. So, Ashley, you know, you hear Kayla, the DNC, you know, they’re watching Kennedy. They, they, we saw they put the the big billboard up saying that he’s MAGA trying to tie him to Trump. You just heard him describe himself as a populist. So what what do you make of the way he’s dealing with this right now?
AA: Look, I think RFK interview just did was terrifying. Not only did he push lie after lie and some conspiracy theories, he actually didn’t say one time what he would do for the American people. He he talked about them, but he didn’t make a clear plan for what he wants to do for them. He will be a spoiler, most likely. He is not on enough. You ask him this. He is not on enough ballots right now to actually get 270 Electoral College votes, which you actually need to win the presidency of the United States. And I just like he talked about so many issues that are baffling to me. But he talks about chronic disease. Yes, chronic disease is an issue. But he also said that abortion rights, half of the population has lost a constitutional right, and that’s not an existential crisis. He talked about guns, which is the leading cause of death for children. He talked about being the candidate for young people, but doesn’t consider the gun crisis in our country an existential crisis. He talks about Joe Biden being a bigger threat to democracy and not Donald Trump. When Donald Trump had people go and storm the Capital try to kill not only Nancy Pelosi, but his vice president, Mike Pence, who is no longer supporting Donald Trump. So his candidacy is extremely problematic. The DNC needs to take it head on. Robert F Kennedy is a problem for America as a candidate. (JRG- No Ashley, he’s a problem for the two party establishment, he’s not a problem for America, or her people. Which ‘lie after lie’ are your referring too? Or are your claims usually digested & swallowed without pushback or need for proof of statement?)

EB: Jeff Zeleny, what do you make of all of the argument that he made and how will that play from where you’re hearing it, that he was saying that you could make the argument he was making the argument that that Joe Biden could be a greater threat to democracy than Donald Trump, even though he said that what Donald Trump did on it in January was wrong.
JZ: Look, his point there was because of social media, as Daniel was saying, that he argues that he was blocked from social media. But listening to that, that is not something that certainly would resonate with most Democratic, disaffected Democratic voters. So that certainly sounds like it gives credence to the idea that, yes, he is going to take supporters potentially from both sides. That’s a very much more of a Republican or Trumpian message, if you will. But, Erin, I think one of the things that struck me when you talk to Democrats who truly are upset and disgusted and disappointed at this administration, one of the reasons is the Gaza policy. And there would be an opening, talking to many Democrats if there was a candidate, a third party option, who was really making that the core of their message. That could be a problem for young voters. That is not the core of RFK Jr’s message at all.
(JRG- Wrong Jeff, It’s not just about Gaza at all. It’s an abundance of Biden’s policies that we don’t like. Censorship by Biden’s administration of all citizens, not just Mr. Kennedy, does resonate with us… not only with democrat voters, but with the majority of citizens who respect our constitution. And also Biden’s declining physical and mental cognitive abilities… we can see it so clearly. Please, don’t speak for the millions of us that he affects. Thanks.)
EB: No in fact, he said no ceasefire
JZ: So I think in term of young voters, it’s hard to imagine that he would speak to that.
EB: Yeah, I mean, even ten days ago, he was not even saying there was time for a ceasefire. Biden, of course, is much more cease fire than RFK, is more pro-Israel than Biden or Trump right now, it appears. So, David, can I just show you the map again, because you heard Kennedy make the argument that he’s going to get on the ballot in all in all states. Right now, he’s only on the ballot formally in Utah. So he’s got the signature threshold for eight other states, and that does include key swing states Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, North Carolina, all on that. Do you do you believe that that he will be successful in getting on the ballot, enough states where you would be competitive from an Electoral College perspective to 270?
DU: Well, we’ll have to wait and see on that. First of all, I’d like to yield my time to Daniel Dale to come fact check Allison. But but I don’t I know we don’t have enough time, so I say I’ll do it. So clearly, Democrats are concerned very, very concerned, because what I hear Ashley saying, it’s what I hear over and over again about RFK Jr. Right. He’s he’s this he’s he’s a bigger threat to democracy than Donald Trump. So you can’t vote for either of those two. But to your point, is he going to be on the ballot in enough states, I think, is going to be on the ballot in plenty of states. I think he’s going to. He’s got to have the money. He may be on the Libertarian ticket to get, and if that’s the case that he’s on every state, you’ll get Secret Service protection then. Yeah, yeah. And so we’ve got a lot of road to run down here yet. “I would say listening to him, you know what he what he sounded like, I hear, I feel your pain America. I feel your pain about the check engine light going on. He really had a pretty populist message and I think is going to resonate. I think at the end of the day, the Democrats should be pretty scared of RFK because he’s a relatable, he’s you know, I spent only a little bit of time with him, but he’s an interesting character, very relatable, very, you know, very likable, affable guy on the campaign trail. And it’s going to be it’s going to be a problem if he gets out there and gets on the on these ballots. (David Urban former senior adviser to the Trump campaign)

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So word just came out that Forbes is also pulling the same shenanigans (they all do it), this time with Nicole Shanahan’s VP speech. Word is, they have already removed the ‘edited post’ when they got called out. But you have to be pretty fast to make it disappear. You’ve heard the saying, don’t put anything on the internet, unless you don’t want it there forever.

I don’t have time to cover right now, so I’ll just post a quick copy. Go to posters page for comments and more info in their threads on details.

Media manipulation… why would they do that,
BIG PHARMA maybe? https://t.co/HTvilDVSDp

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